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My general “policy” is to not respond to comments – let’s just let the discussion and debate happen.  With this post, however, there was a particularly diverse set of comments that made some interesting suggestions and posed some interesting questions.  So, I thought it would be useful for me to provide some brief responses.

Andrew Roman: 

Agree with the comment about how raising the retirement age could be an important part of the solution.  Stay tuned.

Marnie Wright: 

When will the probable end occur?  What I am hoping is that we will agree to make the changes that will make the senior promise sustainable over time.  Part of the solution will be, in my opinion, a gradual increase in the retirement age, as just noted in my response to Andrew Roman.  But I don’t believe that will happen within your retirement planning horizon.

Stephen Hureau, Tom Stringham and Andrew Griffith: 

Thank you.  Tom, you may also be interested in my response to Segmentation Fault and CupOfSoup

Chris: 

Agree that other “Western” nations are facing Mr. Ponzi as well.  Your comment about politicians giving Mr. Ponzi another try every 4 years does underline the main political challenge - the temptation is to always kick the can down the road.  At the risk of sounding naïve, I hope that, with proper public discussion, some corrective measures to make our senior promise sustainable will be taken.  As a positive example, which I will discuss in a future post, I would point to Paul Martin’s fix of the Canada Pension Plan in the late 1990s.

Segmentation Fault and CupOfSoup:

You both raised the question about whether immigrants sponsoring parents and grandparents was a significant issue.  Your questions made me realize that raising this issue was a distraction from the main issue – that immigrants, of whatever age when they arrive, will grow older.  The Robson and Mahboubi study was not based on the age composition of immigrants changing – i.e. it did not assume an increasing number of parents and grandparents being sponsored over time.  I have thus edited the post to modify that section and focus only on the aging of immigrants, with a footnote indicating the modification and directing the interested reader to these comments.

On this question, a few clarifications may be useful:

i.               With respect to sponsored parents and grandparents, while the sponsoring family member must commit to supporting their parents or grandparents, this does not make the parents or grandparents ineligible for Old Age Security – the only criteria is that the parents or grandparents will have to have been resident in Canada for ten years before reaching age 65. 

ii.              They will be eligible for coverage by the health care plan in whichever province they reside.

iii.             While it is true that there currently is a cap of 10,000 per year in this program, the cap is strictly a policy decision of the government.  Over time, as the number of families which wish to sponsor their parents or grandparents grows, the pressure on the government to raise that limit will become stronger.  Does anyone want to bet that no government will ever bend to the political pressure to raise the cap?

I would also draw your attention to Tom Stringham’s point.  Many immigrants will feel an obligation to look after their parents and grandparents whether or not they gain permanent resident status in Canada.  If they remain in the home country, the children and grandchildren in Canada will be carrying an additional financial burden which will need to be, at least implicitly, taken into account in determining how much of Canada’s senior promise they can afford to fund.  This is discussed in more detail here:  https://financesofthenation.ca/2021/09/28/increased-immigration-alone-cannot-solve-canadas-aging-issues/

Segmentation Fault, with respect to your second point, let me draw a bit of a larger context around how I am approaching the issue.

I am not saying we should have no immigration into Canada.  I think the relatively healthy levels we had during the 90s and early 00s were a net benefit to Canada.  What I am raising concerns about is the much higher levels between 2016-24, and the arguments for continuing higher immigration levels going forward.  Yes, there is a reduction in the OAD ratio from higher levels of immigration.  But there are also costs of those higher immigration levels in terms of reduced bargaining power for workers, businesses overreliance on cheap labour as opposed to investing in innovation and increased productivity, exacerbating our housing crisis, putting pressure on our health care, education and social service programs, and putting more pressure on our transportation infrastructure.  There is presumably some “optimal” level of immigration, difficult as that may be to agree on.  But it can’t be the case that more is always better. 

This last point segues into CupOfSoup’s second question: what is the “right” level of immigration?  I will be discussing this in subsequent posts.  I will make two points here:

i.               Note above that I said I was comfortable with levels in the late 90s and early 00s.  Had Canada’s population continued to grow at the average rate of 1995-2005, its population in 2024 would have been 39.3 million.  Instead, it was 42.3 million.  This has put significant pressures on the labour and housing markets, as well as on government programs.  It will probably take some years of below trend growth to unwind this.

ii.              Beyond this transition period, I think we should be setting our immigration targets based on the health of our labour markets (i.e. is the real average/median wage growing at a healthy rate?), and of our housing markets (i.e. how affordable is a family-friendly house for Canadians in the 20-39 age group?).

Having said all of that, CupOfSoup, I think you are probably in the right range (0.5-1%) - though I would lean the lower half of that range - after we have unwound the excesses of the last few years.

Thank you all for your comments and questions.  I learn a lot from them.

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Andrew Griffith's avatar

Valid use of the term Ponzi scheme.

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